As I enter the third tri I thought it’d be fun to look back at all the weeks so far. There’s one or two missing but you get the drift.
May 122012
May 082012
How far along are you? 27 weeks
Total Weight gain/loss? so far still 13 but I’m expecting a big jump. I’m starting to swell some now so count that water weight…ugh.
Stretch marks? Not yet. Thank you genetics!
Baby Movement? She’s alot like Noah, she’ll go gangbusters for like 2 or 3 days and then we’ll have a few quiet days. Alot of it goes with what I eat I suppose.
Best moment this week? I started to piece together her quilt! I’ll have to post about it later.
Food Cravings?No huge cravings this week..but I’ve eaten plenty…
Belly button in or out? It’s anybodies guess now as to what it will do. It’s flat again but has a small lip that sticks out.
Milestones? We’re up to 2 lbs of baby (a head of cauliflower)….still waiting for her to turn tho.
May 022012
ETA: Reading this again I realize how terrible I sound by saying I’m oblivious to this pregnancy and that I’m too busy. I guess it didn’t come out right. This time around there are so many other things to focus on that I have to stop and remind myself to relish her kicks and being pregnant. This is the last time we’re doing this and I need to savor every moment. Just like I need to savor the moments alone with Noah:)
Funny how things are different the second time around. I could make a list a mile long but the one that I think bothers me is the fact that I’m so oblivious to the fact that I’m pregnant. I mean, I know I am because how the heck could you miss that belly but I remember it being so different with Noah. Every kick and movement, I knew exactly how many weeks and days I was, when my next set of test are etc.. Most days now I’m too busy to even notice her kicks and rolls and I have to look on here to remember what week I am. Heck, I have to look at the calendar to remember my due date (I figure she’ll show up when she shows up…). I suppose that’s what you get when you’re chasing a toddler while your hubby renovates the last bathroom in the house:)
How far along are you? 26 weeks
Total Weight gain/loss? so far still 13 but I’m not using my home scale so I’ll tell you for sure in another few weeks. I’m afraid there will be a huge jump this time around, I feel like I’ve gotten so much bigger.
Stretch marks? Not yet. Thank you genetics!
Baby Movement? Rockin and rolling now but I still think she’s breech…turn baby turn!!!
Best moment this week? Not baby girl related but Noah’s finally really starting to get this potty thing…wooohoo…here’s to hoping we can avoid two in diapers.
Food Cravings?Choco milk almost every night, a root beer float thrown in there on odd days…
Belly button in or out? It’s still hanging on with just that lip hanging out. You can definitely see it thru my shirts and it will pop the whole way out if I move a certain way.
Milestones? Braxton hicks are kicking in something fierce and so is the back pain. I didn’t have either with Noah so this is new and not welcome. I can’t imagine three more months of this….
Apr 262012
I had to laugh when I saw Jenni post about this exact topic just the other day. It’s good to know that I’m not alone in my need to have a ring on.
Knowing what my hands did with my pregnancy with Noah, I thought I’d get ready for it to happen again and remove my wedding band and e-ring early. They’re pretty tight anyways and I was worried that any swelling at all would force us to have them professional removed (which they likely wouldn’t survive).
The problem is, once they were off I felt bare. I’d find myself adjusting my phantom rings all day and it just didn’t feel right. Last pregnancy I looked around at Kohls and Target for a cheap alternative but couldn’t find anything that fit (even swollen my ring size is still under a 6 which seem to be the standard). I did find one band that worked but I wore it so much that I completely wore it out so it wasn’t an option for this time around.
Determined, I got on amazon and looked up rings size 5 and holy cow, they had lots! Pretty ones too and not for bad prices. I looked for a while and ended up with this bad boy….
A full wedding set for $35 (including shipping)! The seller is Titanium Kay and I was really happy with the whole process. They shipped it really quickly and it’s beautiful.
While it’s still a bit big (I could have done a 4.5 and been good) it leaves some room for swelling which since this baby is due in the summer, I’m sure will come.
Now, I don’t feel naked! How pretty right??:)
Apr 232012
I have to squeak this one out while DH and Noah are on a walk so let’s be quick. Had my Dr’s appt today and he declares me perfect:) Confirmed again it’s a girl and that my placenta is partially anterior. We discussed birth control after the baby and they scheduled me for my lovely glucose test:) Joy joy…
How far along are you? 25 weeks
Total Weight gain/loss? up to 153 which is 5 more lbs than last month. 13 or so over all. My home scale says 10 overall so either way I’m doing well. I think was up 17lb at this point with Noah.
Stretch marks? Not yet. Thank you genetics!
Baby Movement? Still kicking low and on a pretty good schedule. She doesn’t like to be squished so she tends to kick harder when I have to be over to get something (or pick up a screaming toddler)
Best moment this week? Finding I didn’t gain as much as I thought:)
Food Cravings?Goes back and forth between milk and OJ. Choco milk after OJ is my friend:)
Belly button in or out? I think it’s going to be an outtie this time. There is a lip on it at night that sticks out, probably because of how she’s positioned.
Milestones? I guess she could see colors if she was on the outside at this point. just over 13in from head to heal she’s starting to pack on some fat now too.
Apr 192012
Keeping up with this weekly thing is harder with a toddler for sure! Especially one who’s loving this amazing weather and waiting to stay out until all hours (and promptly screams when you tell him it’s time to go in….)
Anywho, V week baby. Viability that is. This week marks 24 weeks (based on my LMP anyways) and a point in the pregnancy where, if born, with alot of medical help she could potentially survive. Now, not saying that we want to see her any time soon. In fact, I need her to cook for as long as possible (remind me I said that when I’m 39 weeks and miserable).
Enough chatter, on to the survey.
How far along are you? 24 weeks
Total Weight gain/loss? I haven’t looked so I’ll just assume 8lbs. Appt is next week so I’ll tell you then. I’m sure I’m up more than 8lbs at this point, how much? well, we’ll see. I’ve been good about eating for the most part (a milkshake or choco milk at night to help the heartburn never hurt anyone:)
Stretch marks? Not yet. Thank you genetics!
Baby Movement? I have her schedule now, early AM, commute in, right after lunch then she’s quite until the late evening. She does wake me at 4:30 or so in the AM and loves to kick Noah as we snuggle and read at bed time. I felt the thump from the outside the other day. She stopped when DH put his hand down, of course!
Best moment this week? Um..I guess viablity although if you take it by my ultrasound then we have another week. If you go by my LMP then we’re right on. Regardless, keep cooking baby!!
Food Cravings?Milk – helps the heartburn.
Belly button in or out? I think it’s going to be an outtie this time. There is a lip on it at night that sticks out, probably because of how she’s positioned.
Milestones? Feeling her on the outside and viability.
Apr 132012
How far along are you? 23 weeks
Total Weight gain/loss? I haven’t looked so I’ll just assume 8lbs. Next appt isn’t until 25 weeks.
Stretch marks? Not yet. Thank you genetics!
Baby Movement? She’s got a pattern now and prefers when I lay down. I haven’t seen my belly move but I’m sure she could move it if I just laid still long enough.
Best moment this week? Another boring week. Those are good in the pregnancy world.
Food Cravings?Nothing really thankfully.
Belly button in or out? In but barely….it very well may pop out this time (it does if i push on it now)
Milestones? Still have lovely heartburn but it’s manageable. My weekly email said she can feel me dance so I’m making an effort to dance with Noah more so she gets to participate too.
No picture yet..it’s been a hectic week….that said, I dont really think there’s any change.
Apr 102012
So, back at the drawing board, I decided to take a little different path to figure things out. I’d been using something called Olioboard to create mood board/room scenes for the other rooms in the house and thought it would be great for this. So, out to fabric.com I went for more fabric inspiration that I could take to Olio to pair up.
I grabbed an image of our actual crib and rocker and then went from there by adding fabrics and matching dressers (the dresser will hopefully be mine from my childhood painted whatever color. I just hope it’s in good enough shape to use…)
This first one has our original dragonfly fabric and chevrons. I added a damask in turquoise and a plum pattern too. I think all the patterns are just too big and the dragon flies feel out of place. This is when I started digging the turquoise dresser.
Option 2 was my first attempt with new fabrics. I love the chevron and damask so I found a neat paisley to go with it. still a little overwhelming but in the right proportions it could work.
DH was drawn to the birds fabric so I did one up for him. I put a pink dresser in here originally but he wanted orange. So there you have it. I’m kind of digging this..
This option (4 now? sheesh)…reduces the number of fabrics and introduces a stripe instead of the chevron (but you can be sure i’ll find a way to get a chevron in there!!). The pattern on the flowery fabric is simpler which I think I kind of like.
and last but not least, my pink dresser. For someone who said they didn’t want pink, I really kind of dig this. The paisley is busy for sure but oh so pretty. I can do the bed skirt in the dots, chevrons, and a solid (maybe that blue). Then use the paisley in the curtains or some other accent.
So that’s where I am today…kind of stuck. I dont want to order 30 more dollars of fabric that I’m not going to use but I need to see these in person. I figure for now I’ll just keep staring at the mood boards and see what sticks..:)
What do you guys think? what option is your favorite?
Apr 092012
I don’t know what it is about girls but my brain has been buzzing with color schemes, crafts, and things to make for her. I was crazy with Noah for sure but this takes the cake. I’ve ordered fabric to make a quilt and am just about ready to order the fabric for her dust ruffle and curtains. Not to mention the yards of skinny elastic and folder over elastic that arrived today! Like I said on Facebook – good thing I have 4 months still!
Anywho, this is about color schemes. I had a whole post written with my original few color schemes and the one that “won” at the time but the more I looked at it the less happy I was with it. So, i’ll break this up in to two posts to show the progression and where I am now (which i’m not positive will be the final resting place but we’ll see).
When I started to pick out colors I didn’t want anything too too girlie. I don’t know why, guess I’m just not your typical pink mamma (although, don’t get me wrong – pink rocks…just not for her room). However, I’m starting to rethink that just a bit. Plus, I’m stuck with taupe colored neutral walls (because DH refuses to add anything else to his mile long honey do list) so I had to pick around that.
I started with a few color tools to get a sense of what I liked (MyColortopia, Design-seeds.com, and Pinterest) and then went to fabric.com to find some fabric inspiration for her bedding.
The first option has pink in it and I really liked it but the fabric is back ordered until late May and I’m waaaaaay too impatient to wait for it. Plus, I wanted lime green, not olive. I could totally dig this scheme though.
The next one was again more olivey than limey if you get what I mean. Still great colors in my book but not quite what I was looking for. Plus the patterned fabric was suuuuuuper expensive.
Option 2
This last one is our original winner (and surprisingly – or not – the first set of swatches I ordered). I love the whimsical dragonfly and the pop of the orange against the green. The purple is magenta/plum so finding a coordinating solid is a little challenging. I could see a purple dresser in there too…
Winning Option
My plan was to do the bedskirt in a solid plum, the green basket weave and the dragon fly. Then curtains would be white on top and the the bottom 2 or so feet will be either the chevron or the green basket weave and the dragon fly. I also ordered some flannel in coordinating fabrics to make a baby quilt for her to use when she’s bigger (some of which will now become burp cloths and bibs since I think I’m abandoning this completely).
The turn came when the fabric actually arrived and I started to pair it. Nothing worked for me…not like it did online. Perhaps it was my excitement but in reality it just wasn’t working. My mom agreed. So….back to the drawing board of sort….and on to part 2.
Apr 022012
How far along are you? 22 weeks
Total Weight gain/loss? Looks like 8 lbs, not bad (start=140, monday=148)
Stretch marks? Not yet. Thank you genetics!
Baby Movement? She’s still really low although I feel some around my belly button now too (mainly when I’m laying on my side). Which means she’s still feet down.
Best moment this week? Boring week actually. Things are status quo for the time being.
Food Cravings?Nothing really thankfully.
Belly button in or out? In but barely….it very well may pop out this time (it does if i push on it now)
Milestones? Heartburn city! To much of anything sets it off. Plus my hands are swelling some already. I need to look back to see when it started with Noah.
Mar 262012
How far along are you? 21 weeks
Total Weight gain/loss? Looks like 8 lbs, not bad (start=140, monday=148)
Stretch marks? Nopers, it’s stretching but no marks yet and it’s weird, no linea negra this time – at least yet.
Baby Movement? Doc gave me more info on why I’m not feeling her too much – my placenta wraps around from the back to the top front. So, where her head is (yes, her feet are still in my back), she has an extra layer of padding so I don’t feel it much.
Best moment this week? Getting complemented by the doc on keeping things under control weight wise. It’s been easier this time for sure (plus I didn’t have as far to go to get where I was with Noah so I have to try to keep things under wraps….)
Food Cravings?Nothing really thankfully.
Belly button in or out? In but barely….it very well may pop out this time (it does if i push on it now)
Milestones? It’s a girl and she’s starting to kick harder plus I’m feeling braxton hicks already. I never really felt them with Noah but I do with her (because i’m positive it’s not her repositioning herself, her feel are safely embedded in my back.)
Mar 192012
How far along are you? 20 weeks
Total Weight gain/loss? 4.5
Stretch marks? Nopers, it’s stretching but no marks yet.
Baby Movement? Figured out why I wasn’t feeling her as much on friday..she’s breech and kicking towards my back. Makes sense now:) She’s getting stronger and enjoying the ice cream I just ate…she’s kicking me hard now.
Best moment this week? Catch the “she and her’s” in the previous statement? Yup, found out it’s a girl! Noah was right all along! I loved seeing her on the screen just chillin but she was not shy and gave the goods pretty quickly.
Food Cravings?Eh…potatoes if I had to name one.
Belly button in or out? In. It stayed in the whole time with Noah and I figure it will with this one too.
Milestones? Half way there baby! and it’s a GIRL!
And, since it was such a beautiful day today we went on a family walk thus no picture for you. Maybe tomorrow after I get home from work.
ETA: Finally got a pic!!
Mar 172012
I always had a gut feel with Noah on what he was so I never really subscribed to the old wives tales. This time around I’m conflicted, part of me says girl (because I’d love one of each) but the other part says boy. So, I decided to dig up the wives tales and figure it out. Unfortunately I’ve seen conflicting info so take this with a grain of salt.
Chinese Gender chart = Girl
Heartbeat (usually around 160 or so) = Girl (although, Noah’s was fast too so….)
Ring on string over wrist (or belly) = Girl (although I’ve read conflicting reports on this…it went in a circle for me)
Noah prediction = Girl (he keeps saying hi to his baby sister)
Carrying High vs. Low = Girl (but I carried high with noah too)
Craving sweets vs. sour = Boy (loving sour things right now – but then again, I always have)
Acne = Boy (my face has been really clear)
Evens and Odds (legend has it that the Mayans determined a baby’s sex by looking at the mother’s age at conception and the year of conception. If both are even or odd, it’s a girl. If one’s even and one’s odd, it’s a boy.) = Girl (age 31 conceived in 2011)
Morning sickness = boy (none for this babe really and really minor for Noah)
I’m sure there are more but at this point the overwhelming verdict is Girl….
Tune in on Monday for the weekly update to find out if it was right or not….care to take a guess in the mean time?
Mar 122012
How far along are you? 19 weeks
Total Weight gain/loss? 4.5
Stretch marks? Nopers, it’s stretching but no marks yet.
Baby Movement? The thumps are getting stronger. Still not as strong as with Noah but I’m feeling them at least. Actually I’m getting weird tightening on one side or the other like I did in the later months with noah when he moved from side to side. It’s too early for Braxton Hicks so I assume this is just fuzz moving.
Best moment this week? It hasn’t happened yet but I expect Friday will be exciting when we have our level 2 sono!
Food Cravings?The carb and junk food cravings are kicking in. I’m trying to stick with the fruit thing though.
Belly button in or out? In. It stayed in the whole time with Noah and I figure it will with this one too.
Milestones? Nothing big yet, the movements are getting stronger and people are getting braver to ask if I’m PG vs. fat:)
Mar 072012
How far along are you? 18 weeks
Total Weight gain/loss? 4.5
Stretch marks? Nopers, it’s far too early for that kind of stuff
Baby Movement? Again, still only small thumps. I wish this baby would get it’s act together and start showing mommy it’s in there. I know I’ll wish I’d never said that later but for now I miss the thumps..it was always my little moment with the baby…
Best moment this week? Actually been a dull kind of week…..
Food Cravings?Fruit…lots of fruit
Belly button in or out? In. It stayed in the whole time with Noah and I figure it will with this one too.
Milestones? Gosh, I’m really dull this week. No big milestones…
Feb 272012
How far along are you? 17 weeks
Total Weight gain/loss? Looks like 4.5 lbs, not bad (start=140, monday=144.5)
Stretch marks? Nopers, it’s far too early for that kind of stuff
Baby Movement? Small thumps here and there. I’d expected something stronger by now but I think this babe is sitting back further.
Best moment this week? Getting two stitches in my thumb after an accident with a knife and a bagel…okay, not the best moment but memorable none the less:)
Food Cravings?Tom Yum Soup if you can believe it..i think the sour/tang is what i’m after
Belly button in or out? In. It stayed in the whole time with Noah and I figure it will with this one too.
Milestones? More blood work to test for alpha fetal proteins which tell us if the neural tube closed the whole way or not…
Feb 212012
Noah has a habit of pulling up my shirt to kiss my belly…cute at home, not so much in the middle of the supermarket.
Feb 202012
How far along are you? 16 weeks
Total Weight gain/loss? Home scale says 3 lbs…we’ll see at the docs on the 27th
Stretch marks? Nopers, it’s far too early for that kind of stuff
Baby Movement? Again, thinking I felt a few more thumps, more distinct this time than last week.
Best moment this week? The week is still young but so far nothing:)
Food Cravings?Tater tot/french fries/hashbrowns..
Belly button in or out? In. It stayed in the whole time with Noah and I figure it will with this one too.
Milestones? I think I felt a flutter…
Feb 132012
We’re back from our cruise and settling into the second trimester. Unfortunately, the headaches that plagued me in my second tri with Noah seems to be back for this baby.
How far along are you? 15 weeks
Total Weight gain/loss? My next dr’s appt isn’t until the 27th so we’ll know more then. It doesn’t feel like I’ve gained a ton but I suppose we’ll see. The food on the cruise was good!
Stretch marks? Nopers, it’s far too early for that kind of stuff
Baby Movement? Thought I felt a thump or a drop last night but I’m not sure. I think this baby is sitting a little further back because I have a hard time finding the heartbeat on my doppler.
Best moment this week? The week is still young but so far nothing:)
Food Cravings?Really nothing…it’s kind of odd.
Belly button in or out? In. It stayed in the whole time with Noah and I figure it will with this one too.
Milestones? Passed the first trimester screen and have been deemed low risk.
Feb 062012
Out of the first trimester, woohoo! Now, just waiting for that energy to come back.
How far along are you? 14 weeks
Total Weight gain/loss? I’d assume I’m up a little but last dr’s appt was +1lb.
Stretch marks? Nopers, it’s far too early for that kind of stuff
Baby Movement? Nope, not yet. Soon though
Best moment this week? We’re crusin as a family in the Caribbean!!
Food Cravings?I was too nauseous on the boat to really want to eat. The rest of the time I was chasing Noah around.
Belly button in or out? In. It stayed in the whole time with Noah and I figure it will with this one too.
Milestones?Baby’s first vacation!
Since we were on vaca I didn’t take a pic so you’ll have to image me with a big ole belly (that looks way too big to be 14 weeks).
Feb 032012
And so it starts again! Dec 3 we got the ever so faint second line on a pregnancy test which heralded the impending arrival of Noah’s sibling. It was so faint that I had to wake DH up and ask for his eyes to verify. Cautious as he was he concurred that he saw a second line but told me not to get excited until we see that for a few days straight. So, for the next week I went thru all the tests we had in our house (which was a surprisingly large amt, I guess I unknowingly collected a bunch) and they all said the same thing – pregnant!
This was our third and final round of Clomid (I told DH I was done, if this didn’t work we’d just have to wait until July to get on his insurance and see the RE again..) and I could have sworn our timing was way off so to say I was surprised when that second line appeared at 13dpo is an understatement. After the shock wore off it was replaced by excitement (and nausea…oh joy!).
Symptom wise things have been pretty easy. Some mild nausea here and there but nothing too bad. Sore bb’s, the likes of which I’ve never felt before – just breathing hurts on some days. The bloat started around week 4 and even at week 8/9 I look like I did at 12 with Noah.
Our first ultrasound showed a little bean at 7w3d on first look and the doc revised it to 7w5d by the end of the appt. Still a few days shy of the 8 weeks we thought we were but he said we were close enough to stick with the 8/6 due date. I think it was then that it finally hit me – we’re having another baby!
So far we’ve kept this a little quite, not nearly as quiet as when we had Noah (when no one but our parents knew before 13 weeks). DH let it slip to my gram on New Years which resulted in us telling the whole house full of people but that’s fine. Things have been going well and I wasn’t super worried (besides, it would be nice to have the support if we needed it later).
So, I can’t guarantee the blogging will increase with this new revelation but I will try to keep folks posted as we move along. It’s already so different with this one. Most days I forget I’m even pregnant (until I look down to see the bump). Perhaps it’s because I’m distracted by an almost 2 year old who’s fighting sleep and asserting his independence and is in non stop motion.
Jan 302012
This week has taken forever!
How far along are you? 13 weeks
Total Weight gain/loss? +1 at the last Dr.’s appt. Hoping to keep that gain in check.
Stretch marks? Nopers, it’s far too early for that kind of stuff
Baby Movement? Nothing definitive yet but soon I hope
Best moment this week? Getting thru the first trimester scan and getting to see fuzz again.
Food Cravings?Actually not a lot this week. I’ve not really be hungry at all which is probably why my weight gain is low. I have to force myself to eat.
Belly button in or out? In. It stayed in the whole time with Noah and I figure it will with this one too.
Milestones?Had our first trimester screen and everything looks great!
Jan 232012
This working mom thing is hard. I keep forgetting to take the belly pic. This one was 12w 1 day…I completely forgot 13!
Hiding this bump is getting harder and harder
How far along are you? 12 weeks
Total Weight gain/loss? 1 lb!! Woohoo…I so thought it was going to be worse.
Stretch marks? Nopers, it’s far too early for that kind of stuff
Baby Movement? I could have sworn I felt a thump but it’s probably still gas. It’s waaaay too early. I didn’t feel Noah until 16 or so weeks.
Maternity Clothes? Yup! Just so much more comfortable. I do still wear my normal work pants but with the bella band and a maternity shirt. Now that folks at work know I can be a little more free with my wardrobe.
Best moment this week? Not baby #2 (seems like that’s a theme) but Noah’s in a big boy bed!
Food Cravings? Nothing really…I get a hankering for what I see on TV or that we talk about but if ignore it long enough I can get past it. Which is good for my weight gain:) I’m trying to keep this one at a min. I still have the 20 from Noah that I never lost.
Belly button in or out? In. It stayed in the whole time with Noah and I figure it will with this one too.
Milestones?Heard the heartbeat again at the dr.’s.
Jan 192012
So I wrote these as the weeks went by and I’m going to spend the week catching up:)
Hiding this bump is getting harder and harder
How far along are you? 11 weeks
Total Weight gain/loss? So afraid to find out….
Stretch marks? Nopers, it’s far too early for that kind of stuff
Baby Movement? Nope…just gas bubbles still (which unfortunately this time around seem to be more numerous than last time…TMI sorry)
Maternity Clothes? Is it sad that I’m wearing them already? They’re so much more comfy than my normal work clothes.
Best moment this week? Not baby #2 related but Noah climbed out of his crib
Labor Progress? I certainly hope not. I may hide this one till the third tri…
Food Cravings? Everything…food tastes so good right now…
Belly button in or out? In. It stayed in the whole time with Noah and I figure it will with this one too.
Milestones?Nothing big with 11 weeks:(
Jan 092012
This was fun to look over the posts from my pregnancy with noah so I thought I’d try this again…
How far along are you? 10 weeks (and a few days)
Total Weight gain/loss? Not sure yet…started at 140 on the docs scale. Mine here says 137..i like mine better:)
Stretch marks? Nopers, it’s far too early for that kind of stuff
Baby Movement? Nope…just gas bubbles. They say you can feel it earlier with #2 but seeing that it’s only the size of a kumquat (like an inch), I’m sure i’m not feeling it yet.
Maternity Clothes? I did break down and get my maternity clothes out. I found that my work clothes were kind of fitted and not helping me hide this very well. Plus I needed my BellaBands…my work trousers were getting uncomfy around the end of the day.
Best moment this week? Finding the heartbeat with the doppler:)
Labor Progress? I certainly hope not. I may hide this one till the third tri…
Food Cravings? Gosh…everything I think about…or that someone talks about…
Belly button in or out? In. It stayed in the whole time with Noah and I figure it will with this one too.
Milestones? Finding the heartbeat!
Weekly Wisdom? I’m wisdomless so far…perhaps I spent it all with this the last time around.
10 weeks with Noah:
